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Fancy Scientist Podcast #156: Do Zoos Help Conservation? Research, Ethics, and Careers

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Stephanie Manka

Stephanie Manka, Ph.D. is a wildlife biologist with 20 years of experience in mammal ecology and conservation, education, and outreach. Read her story to find out how she went from the daughter of a jeweler to a Ph.D. in wildlife biology.

Do zoos actually help conservation? Contribute to wildlife research? Or are they mostly to entertain people? 

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A couple of years ago, I did a podcast interview all about zoos, and I thought this would be a great topic for my own podcast due to the complexity. It’s not a straightforward answer…

In fact, during the pandemic, when we were all watching The Tiger King, I did a whole blog post series on the ethics and research impacts of zoos, and these are still some of my most popular posts!

Podcast Episode #156 Zoo research ethics conservation

Zoos were originally built purely for entertainment and were the only way most people could see an exotic animal. Placed in cement cages or concrete pits, animals were there to fascinate, but at the expense of their well-being. 

But as scientists and the public have learned more about animals, some zoos began to change. There are now high-quality institutions running genuine conservation science, captive breeding programs, and research on wild animal populations.

Podcast Episode #156 Zoo research ethics conservation

But unfortunately, not all zoos have stepped up. There are still dilapidated roadside attractions where animals are locked in cement cages, might be forced to do unnatural and harmful tricks, or be bred to have a constant supply of babies for tourists to pose with for photos, and with nowhere to go once they get older. 

"There is a huge spectrum of zoos in terms of quality, ethics, and what kind of research they do, if any kind of research.  So to put all zoos under this umbrella of zoos is really unfair…"

These zoos might do things that they call research, but really, this is a form of greenwashing so that they can use these small projects to justify their money-making operations from animals. 

On the flip side, I talk about how zoos genuinely contribute to conservation. For example, conducting real research on animals outside of their zoo population, providing genetic safety nets, and captive breeding animals like the black-footed ferret and golden lion tamarin from the brink of extinction. 

"The more that we learn about animals, the more that these standards continue to evolve."

In this episode of the Fancy Scientist podcast, I’m going to walk you through zoos so that you can understand these differences, as well as offer some guidelines so that you can make an informed decision for yourself. I break down what separates a good zoo from a bad one, and the gray areas in between. 

"There are some zoos that have placed animal welfare over profits or over attracting members of the public."

I also address the harder question of whether zoos change people’s minds. Many claim that zoos educate the public about wildlife, but just because they present information doesn’t mean that people take it in or take conservation actions…Those are much harder to change. I talk about a meta-analysis of 56 studies on visitor attitudes after zoo visits, plus how zoos like Cheyenne Mountain Zoo are trying to close the gap between education and action with things like their sustainable palm oil initiative.

"You really don't want to tame animals. You want to have them be as  wild as possible. Zoos that really put animals first, that is what they care about."

And because this podcast is always about helping you build a wildlife career, I offer an overview of the different kinds of roles that you can obtain for employment, as well as my own behind-the-scenes experience, where I monitored elephant pregnancy hormones and worked on reproductive research for cotton-top tamarins.

"There are some populations that have been so small...that they've had to be  captured and brought into a zoo environment to be bred to be released to the wild."

You’ll get a rundown of the career paths zoos actually offer: zookeeping, education, communications, research, and creative roles like videography, plus wildlife-adjacent jobs in finance, fundraising, and law. I also explain what kinds of zoo work won’t help your wildlife career, no matter how much hands-on animal experience it seems to offer.

Specifically, we talk about:

  • The history of zoos, and how they evolved from pure entertainment into institutions that can contribute to research, education, and conservation
  • The clear signs that separate an ethical zoo from an unethical one including enrichment, keeper barriers, and whether the public is allowed to touch wild animals
  • Why Tiger King-style roadside zoos like Myrtle Beach Safari don’t count as real conservation work, and how to spot greenwashing when a zoo claims to “support conservation”
  • Why zoo populations serve as a safety net for species with critically small wild populations
  • Real conservation success stories through captive breeding, including golden lion tamarins and black-footed ferrets
  • The behind-the-scenes research zoos do that visitors never see, including my own experience monitoring elephant hormones as a Disney’s Animal Kingdom intern
  • Whether zoos actually succeed at changing visitor attitudes and behavior toward conservation, and what the research says
  • The strongest arguments against zoos
  • An overview of wildlife career paths at zoos: zookeeping, education, communications, research, creative and media roles, and wildlife-adjacent careers like finance, fundraising, and law
  • And MORE!

"The argument is that when people see animals, they are going to be more likely to act in pro-conservation ways or at least care about animals more."

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